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March 16, 2006
USA vs. Mexico

It's parents' night at school, so I'm going to miss the first couple of innings of this game. Feel free to leave your opinions in the comments.

Update: I got back just in time to see Chipper Jones tie the game at 1 in the top of the fourth. Also, in time to hear Sutcliffe talking about productive outs. :(

Update: Duke Castiglione talked to the ump, and he said he thought it hit the top of the wall. They also saw no paint on the ball.

Update: I'm reading the comments, and it looks like an ump missed a ball off the foul pole. What inning, please, so I can back up and watch it on TIVO?

Update: Just saw the replay. That's the worst call since the Jeter homer against the Orioles in 1996.

Update: Francoeur doubles to right to start the US fifth.

Update: Barrett gets hit by the pitch. It looks like it just brushed his hand. Runners on first and second.

By the way, Valenzuela, who lost the home run, reached base and scored anyway. For all intents and purposes, the bad call didn't make a difference. Lucky for the ump.

Update: Francoeur is picked off second by the catcher, although it technically goes as a caught stealing. Barrett was able to move up to second.

Update: Barrett gets to third but he's stranded there. Remember, since Mexico scored a run, the US has to win this game to advance. It's tied at 1 in the middle of the fifth.

Update: Valenzuela gets another hit, leading off the fifth with a single to center. He's bunted to second.

Update: Amazega lines one up the middle for a single. Valenzuela had to head back to second, as it was low enough to be caught. A lucky break for the US as there is no score on the play. Roger Clemens leaves the game after 73 pitches. He can't win the game, but he might lose it.

Update: Scot Shields enters in relief.

Update: Mexico scores on a slow grounder. It's 2-1 in the fifth.

Update: That's it for the fifth. Right now Japan is cheering.

Update: The heart of the US order goes 1-2-3 on seven pitches in the sixth inning.

Update: The US goes in order in the seventh, on just 8 pitches. Mexico strikes out its first two batters of the night.

Update: Bud's in the booth, and he's bringing down the whole energy of the broadcast.

Update: Is Miller going to ask Bud about Bonds? That would certainly ruin the whole atmosphere of the game. How can he not ask, however, given the news of the day?

Update: Ojeda walks to start the bottom of the seventh.

Update: Miller does talk about Bonds. Bud's looking at everything. But who knows what "everything" is.

Update: There's a game going on. A 2-1 game. Get Bud out of the booth and let's talk about the game!

Update: Street gets out of the inning without any more damage. The US has two innings to score at least one run.

Update: Villarreal gets the side in order, striking out Jeter looking. The Atlanta pitcher has thrown 16 pitches, 15 for strikes. The US is three outs away from elimination.

Update: Nathan retires the side in order. The US has Jr, Chipper and A-Rod in the 9th. They'll win or lose with their best.

Update: De La Rosa is in to get the save for Mexico.

Update: The crowd, on both sides, is really into the game. Each is chanting the name of their country.

Update: De La Rosa screws Griffey into the ground as Ken strikes out swinging. Two outs to go.

Update: Chipper Jones walks on four pitches. We'll see a right-hander, Ayala to face A-Rod.

Update: A-Rod takes ball four. Men on first and second, Damon running for A-Rod. Wells is due up.

Update: Depending on the pitcher, I'd rather see Utley bat than Wells.

Update: Cortes is in, a righty. I'd rather see Utley. I'd rather see Lee, but I believe his shoulder is bad.

Update: Wells breaks his bat on the first pitch and hits into a double play. Where was Utley? Where was the left-handed bat in that situation?

Congratulations to Japan! They advance to the semi-finals. It's close to an all island finals. South Korea isn't an island, but it is cut off from the mainland.

Saturday should be fun.


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Comments

ESPN just said Clemens is shutting it down until June or July after tonight's game. That makes Clemens the biggest trade deadline acquisition of the season for some team. He'll be the X-Factor in the AL East. That's my prediction.

Posted by: Benjamin Kabak at March 16, 2006 07:39 PM

The same umpire who blew the tag-up call for Japan blew another call in the first inning. A-Rod was out on that play at first.

At least it didn't lead to anything.

What a joke.

I can't take this commentary. Who is that? Rick Sutcliff? So awful.

Posted by: James at March 16, 2006 08:15 PM

After 2: no score. Clemens, effective so far, 25 pitches - 15 strikes. Nice DB by catcher Barret in the 1st. Angel Stadium looks quite crowded, but there's nothing of the passion of the three previous elimination games.

Posted by: Miq at March 16, 2006 08:18 PM

James: It's Bob Davidson. He just blew ANOTHER call. This guy sucks at umping.

Furthermore, why there is no left field or right field line ump as there are during the World Series is beyond me. That wasn't even close to not being a home run.

Posted by: Benjamin Kabak at March 16, 2006 08:23 PM

So this Davidson guy used to umpire in the major leagues, but for some mysterious reason he's now only working in the minor leagues.

I think I'm starting to see why.

Posted by: Hunter at March 16, 2006 08:24 PM

Esteban Loaiza would have been a better umpire. At least he KNOWS to look at the baseball. America can't win this Classic by getting "help" by the umpire EVERY game.

Posted by: Benjamin Kabak at March 16, 2006 08:24 PM

I'll refrain from using the word TAINT, but when a ball bounces off the foul pole 15 feet in the air, it should be a home run - not a double. Do these umpires need glasses or do they just need a refresher course in the rules?

Posted by: Mike at March 16, 2006 08:25 PM

I've been enjoying the Baseball Classic, until now. A second bad call so that the US can advance. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I'll not watch again this year.

Posted by: Bob at March 16, 2006 08:26 PM

WTF are the ESPN announcers talking about? Mexico can't SCORE a run until the 13th? That doesn't make sense AT ALL. Does anyone understand that?

Posted by: Benjamin Kabak at March 16, 2006 08:26 PM

Wow, Davidson and crew are lost. How did all 4 of those guys miss that call? While the world pondered pitch counts and injuries, we get 2nd rate umpires in what has otherwise been a 1st rate event.

Posted by: Harry at March 16, 2006 08:27 PM

What the hell did I just see? Bob Davidson is either blind, or on someone's payroll that he shouldn't be.

And what about the other umpires????

By the way, I believe Davidson was an MLB umpire until the strike a few years ago.

But that was one of the single worst calls I've EVER seen.

Posted by: Will at March 16, 2006 08:27 PM

Wow. That is so bad. I can understand the other bad calls (and they were really bad), but how do you miss a baseball hitting a large metal object and then coming back into the field of play? Not only would you hear the ball hit the pole, but the only way for the ball to come flying back into the field of play is if it hit the pole. This guy must subscribe to the magic bullet theory as well.

"Oh, well, I thought the ball took a 90-degree turn in midair."

Does Mexico realize that they shouldn't arguing? The only way for them to advance is if they win 3-0 or 4-0 in the 13th inning.

Someone must have told Mexico what they have to do to advance, right? If they score, they can't advance.

Posted by: James at March 16, 2006 08:28 PM

Bob: You know, the Cuba/Dominican game on Saturday will be the best game of the tournament. You're going to miss out one helluva game if you boycott the tournament now over bad umping.

Posted by: Benjamin Kabak at March 16, 2006 08:28 PM

Just checked Grund Rules of Angel Stadium, ans someone added a misterious asterisk...:
"Foul poles and attached yellow screen are in fair territory. Ball striking either the pole* or attached screen is a home run."
*If minor league officiating foul pole has to be torn down to award a home run
(I just made that up)

Posted by: Miq at March 16, 2006 08:29 PM

...and Mexico eliminates themselves.

Posted by: Joe at March 16, 2006 08:31 PM

Mexico just eliminated themselves and they are cheering. Hahaha.

:)

Posted by: James at March 16, 2006 08:31 PM

Funny, so did Bob Davidson

> ...and Mexico eliminates themselves.

Posted by: Harry at March 16, 2006 08:31 PM

At least the run ended up crossing the plate.

Posted by: Will at March 16, 2006 08:31 PM

What?! Valenzuela clearly missed home plate by at least 15 feet. That run shouldn't count!
So, right now we have another Korea-Japan on saturday, right? Redemption for Ichiro & Co or harakiri!

Posted by: Miq at March 16, 2006 08:35 PM

Right now USA would advance. If the score stands at 1-0, of course.

Posted by: James at March 16, 2006 08:37 PM

The WBC website says Mexico advances if "A 3-0 or 4-0 win over the United States, with Mexico having played 13 innings or more on defense". Which is insane, but it means Mexico isn't technically eliminated.

Regardless, they're playing for the win, not to advance.

Posted by: Earl at March 16, 2006 08:40 PM

Okay, now they're out.

Posted by: Earl at March 16, 2006 08:44 PM

Earl, think about it...they are eliminated.

Posted by: Joe at March 16, 2006 08:44 PM

You can't go to thirteen inning and win 3-0 if you've already score a run in the second inning.

I hope every tag-up play is appealed from her on out. That would be pretty funny.

Posted by: James at March 16, 2006 08:47 PM

You can't go to thirteen inning and win 3-0 if you've already score a run in the second inning.

I dunno...anything's possible with this umpiring crew.

(Yeah, I'm an idiot. Sorry about that.)

Posted by: Earl at March 16, 2006 08:48 PM

Dave, it was Valenzuela, 1st batter in the bottom of the 3rd on a 2-0 pitch.

Posted by: Miq at March 16, 2006 08:52 PM

Clemens is up to 68 pitches, that could be it. Just in case, so long and thanks, Roger.

Posted by: Miq at March 16, 2006 08:58 PM

Buck just said they'll send him out for the 5th. Hopefully he mows 'em down.

Posted by: Joe at March 16, 2006 09:00 PM

yes, thank you Buck Martinez for asking Young to bunt AGAIN

Posted by: tim at March 16, 2006 09:05 PM

I love bunting with the best offensive SS in baseball. It's just smart baseball.

Posted by: James at March 16, 2006 09:08 PM

Stupid to ask Young to bunt, but I suppose it's the same outcome - with that grounder, they could have turned two if Barrett was still on first.

Posted by: Will at March 16, 2006 09:11 PM

well there's no way of knowing if Young grounds out if allowed to bat from the first pitch

Posted by: tim at March 16, 2006 09:15 PM

Just think, this might be the very last time we see Roger Clemens pitch for the very last time. He's been pitching for the very last time at least several times these last few years, and it's been a remarkable tradition.

Posted by: Hunter at March 16, 2006 09:18 PM

If this score holds, and Mexico wins 2-1 after 9 innings, US advances, right? They don't celebrate on the field, do they? For not losing too badly?

Posted by: Earl at March 16, 2006 09:32 PM

No, the US would not advance on a 2-1 win now. They would have to get an out in the bottom of the ninth. Since they wouldn't play the bottom of the ninth if the game ends with this score, the US loses to Japan on the tie breaker.

Posted by: David Pinto at March 16, 2006 09:37 PM

For the US to advance with a 2-1 loss, they had to have played 8 2/3 innings or more on defense. Since Mexico is home team that is not possible.
US has to win (sure they'll never convince).

Posted by: Miq at March 16, 2006 09:38 PM

Yes. they advance because they would have played fewer innings in defense.

Posted by: Johnson at March 16, 2006 09:38 PM

Or rather, the other way around. Japan would advance...

but partial innings= whole innings so the 2/3 wouldn' t matter if it were possible...

Posted by: Johnson at March 16, 2006 09:41 PM

Thanks. Man I'm bad at this.

Posted by: Earl at March 16, 2006 09:43 PM

what an embarrassment.

Posted by: Tim at March 16, 2006 11:45 PM

What I think people are missing is that the Mexican fans were cheering for two reasons.

1. They beat the US. This is a huge rivalry in international soccer, and I'm sure most of the Mexican fans are cueing in on this.

2. They eliminated the US from the tournament. See reason number 1.

I personally found it revolting to cheer for the US team...to many Yankee players.

Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2006 06:46 AM

Well despite bad calls the baseball gods ensured that the Japanese team advanced. I can't complain, the US got too many bad calls in their favor; it wouldn't be right for them to advance.

This weekend's games should be real good.

Posted by: rbj at March 17, 2006 08:13 AM

Good for Japan, who certainly deserved to advance after the debacle in the Japan-U.S. game. Hilarious that it was the same umpire, Bob Davidson.

Will posted that it wasn't a surprise that he's a minor league umpire now after having been a major leaguer...he lost his job because he was one of the geniuses who "quit" some years back, and then tried to sue MLB when they accepted and refused to rehire them. What an ass.

On umpiring...doesn't it seem strange that they'd let American umps umpire American games? I think the World Cup always uses a third country for refs, so that there is no risk of impropriety. Am I right on that? The honorable Bob Davidson makes a strong case for this same policy to be implemented in the next WBC. I've really enjoyed it so far, much much more than I expected. To make it better next time, here are my unasked for suggestions:

1) the umpire thing...third country umps
2) timing...if it's only every four years, extend the all-star break and play it then, or play it in November in warm climates...it's pretty clear that there are significantly different levels of rust on the players involved
3) televise ALL of the games so that we can watch them

Posted by: Dave S. at March 17, 2006 08:23 AM

Jeff Francoeur had to be embarassed to be picked off at second base by the catcher. It would be interesting to know how many times last season a player was picked off second base in the majors. Was working so didn't get to see the play but Francoeur had to be napping to not realize what was happening in time and return to the base safely.

Posted by: Andrew Godfrey at March 17, 2006 08:50 AM

Andrew,
the batter missed his bunt, IIRC. Yes Jeff was a bit too far off the bag, but it was almost like a suicide squeeze play to get him to third. They actually should have played it that way, rather than having Jeff hesitate between the bases.

Posted by: rbj at March 17, 2006 08:58 AM

I'll repeat it here: in the 1987 Canada Cup (all games refereed by NHL refs), between Canada and USSR, the Russians insisted that the referee not be American. That left Don Koharski (I believe), a canuck, to ref.

I think when you have someone who is considered the best in the business, that quality trumps any nationalistic tendencies. Obviously, in WBC, where quality was mediocre at best, that doesn't apply.

Posted by: tangotiger at March 17, 2006 10:20 AM

Anyone know if the wonderful umpiring crew will be making the trip to San Diego?

Posted by: Mike at March 17, 2006 03:01 PM

Fans with a long memory may recall that it was Bob Davidson as umpire who made the classic bad call of the 1992 World Series, where the triple play was ruined because the umpire, after a double-play, didn't see Kelly Gruber tag Deion Sanders' heel.

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