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Baseball Musings
June 05, 2006
The Better Team?

Michael Sliverman won't win many fans with this column:

So as the Red Sox enter the Bronx beast’s belly tonight for the start of a four-game series, here’s one fun morsel to chew on: The Yankees are better.

Sliverman goes on to show that in every category except defense, the Yankees are better than the Red Sox. His most telling argument:

But when you look at how the Yankees have played against the better teams in the AL, their record speaks for itself. Against Toronto, AL Central-leading Detroit and AL West-leading Texas, the Yankees are a combined 11-5. The Red Sox, meanwhile, are 8-10 against those same three opponents. The Yankees have played less AL East team than the Red Sox -- who are 15-4 against Tampa Bay and Baltimore -- meaning they have more gimme games against those cellar dwellers remaining.

I still think the two teams are very close. When Boston and New York started their Fenway series two weeks ago I remember a sports radio host thought due to the Yankees injuries that New York would be five games out by the end of the week. That didn't happen. The replacements are doing a good job. Torre's doing a very good job of moving people in and out of the lineup. It turns out the minor league system had enough depth to fill in the holes, and the healthy stars are still good enough to put up some runs. This may turn out to be the most interesting Yankees team in a long time.


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Sure, the teams seem close, but look at the number of injuries that Yank's have suffered though so far this season. If Matsui and Shef are out all year, then the teams are close. If Shef can come back, the Yanks are better. Plus, if Dotel shows up soon, that will give a huge boost to the bullpen. And if Torre ever learns how to USE his bullpen, we'll be unstoppable.

Posted by: sabernar at June 5, 2006 08:12 AM

While the Yankees may indeed be better, record against the "best" teams in the AL ins't necessarily a good indication of that. Small sample size and all that. Put it this way: Against the worst teams in the AL, the Yankees are clearly worse than the Red Sox.

Posted by: pawnking at June 5, 2006 11:25 AM

"Sure, the teams seem close, but look at the number of injuries that Yank's have suffered though so far this season."

Boston injuries: timlin, coco (out for a most of the season so far), lowell (hamstring), loretta, nixon (earlier in year), clement (ankle), wells...

do I need to go on? Shef looks to be on the downside of his career. Matsui is a nice player, but doesn't make the yankees that much better. Boston has two great minor league pitchers they still haven't brought up.

You're being a homer. Quit complaining about the injuries. Everyone has them. The whole "if we get so and so back we'll be better" is nonsense. You're a half game back, second place. Exactly where you should be.

Posted by: dan at June 5, 2006 11:32 AM

A favorite baseball fantasy of mine: the Blue Jays knock both Boston and New York out of the postseason.

Could happen. Toronto's +40 run diff is a shade better than Boston's and not hopelessly behind New York's. If the Tigers and White Sox both keep on keeping on, the wild card could go to the Central (where it lives right now - by a half-game).

Naw, won't happen. But I can dream. And it's at least a realistic possibility that Toronto could knock one of the Big Media Twosome out of the postseason.

Posted by: Casey Abell at June 5, 2006 12:27 PM

2-year OPS+ of 143 and 132 for Sheff. I hope my downside looks that good.

The Sox got Crisp back already. And Lowell and Loretta could be back in the lineup TONIGHT! Sheff and Matsui might not be back until 2007, lol. A wee difference there.

Posted by: Come again at June 5, 2006 12:33 PM

Record against the better teams? Talk about a selective argument. Between Tor, Det and Tex, I think Tor is the best team -- Det is a paper "tiger" :-). Boston has played 11 games against Tor and is 4-7 (poor). NY has only played 5 games against Tor and is 3-2. I'm not saying they'll go 1-5 against them, but records against Det & Tex don't impress me. Oh, and how many games has Boston played against creampuff KC? 0. NY? 6 so far.

Posted by: Dominic Delmolino at June 5, 2006 02:02 PM

Good 'ol sports newspaper columnists---always looking for the catchy/controversial headline and selective use of statistics to "support" their claim. If you want to evaluate Sox/Yankees record so far, evaluate the whole schedule, not just vs. hand-selected teams. E.g. weight opponents' records by number of games played. Do this and you get .509 for Boston and .492 for NY. I.e. Boston has actually had the (slightly) more difficult schedule so far.

Posted by: Jason at June 5, 2006 02:19 PM

Dan wrote: "Matsui is a nice player but doesn't make the yankees that much better."

WTF? Have you looked at the guy's stats the last couple years? You don't think it makes the Yankees better to have Matsui than washed-up Bernie? Or Terrence Long. Take off the Yankee-hater glasses for a minute and you'll see what a stupid sentence that was.

Posted by: sabernar at June 5, 2006 03:57 PM

I believe the Matsui thing was more a reference to the recent performances by Andy Phillips and Melky Cabrera then him selling Matsui short. They've filled in admirably so far...though with any young players you have to wonder whether they can keep it up all season...just look at the Brewers.

I'm also sort of curious about luck...the only way to calculate it that I know of has to do with run differential and one run games, but I really don't think that tells the whole story. I wish there was an objective way to factor in "clutch" hitting, which some have already shown to be nothing but luck. New York's 2-out average with runners on base seems like it should be much higher then Boston's...which may even out a bit over the course of the year. Of course, this is just a feeling, not based on any real logic. And I don't have time to check the numbers...though if someone else does, it might be interesting.

Posted by: the other josh at June 5, 2006 05:23 PM

"The whole "if we get so and so back we'll be better" is nonsense."

Agreed, its like saying if I had the winning numbers of the lottery then I'd be super rich!

Posted by: Bob at June 12, 2006 07:49 AM
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