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Baseball Musings
February 24, 2008
The Jeter Debate

Via WasWatching, Joel Sherman joins the Jeter debate:

But what is being missed here is the preponderance of evidence against Jeter's defensive game. This is not just one set of Ivy League academics calling Jeter the majors' worst fielding shortstop. Just about every respected baseball statistician who has publicized results reveals Jeter is, at best, among the poorest defensive shortstops in the game.

You can attack methodology; you can say no perfect formula has yet been devised to encapsulate all the elements - positioning, speed of the hit ball, field conditions - into a single defensive statistic. However, these metrics keep evolving in sophistication. And Jeter keeps faring poorly in nearly every study year after year. Do you think there is a conspiracy? Do you think statisticians en masse have covertly met and made their quest to soil Jeter's glovely reputation?

"This study has been done a zillion times and the same conclusion is reached every time," an AL official said. "What do you think that means?"

For Jeter devotees, it means assailing the geeks. But as an AL executive said, "this isn't geeks vs. jocks. This is myth vs. reality." In reality, most baseball officials laugh off the three Gold Gloves Jeter won from 2004-06 in the way they do the four Bernie Williams won as having more to do with offense, fame and winning than with actual defense.

I'm very glad this debate is now fully out in the open. It's easy to dismiss one study, but when all of them point in the same direction, year after year, people start to notice. It looks like one of those people was indeed Jeter:

Perhaps the strongest condemnation came from Jeter, who said, "Last year, I didn't have a good year defensively."

It doesn't sound like much, especially since Jeter limited a serial inadequacy to just 2007. Except Jeter is not one to ever publicly apologize for, or criticize, his own game. But this is more than words with Jeter. He rededicated himself in the offseason with exercises designed to improve his lateral quickness and first-step explosiveness. One Yankee official saw this version of Jeter and said, "He set the clock back five years."

"I'm a lot quicker, a lot more agile," Jeter said. "Only time will tell, but that is what I worked on."

Actions speak louder than words.


Posted by David Pinto at 09:15 AM | Defense | TrackBack (0)
Comments

I am a New Yorker, so I see D.J. play everyday. I am a proponent of the idea D.J. is only slightly over-rated. Defensively, he does not go to his left very well, and to the right I'd say pretty well. His arm from the position throwing to first, or to second from the hole, is quite good. However, his arm on the relay home or to third lacks. His instincts and determination, and his willingness to sacrifice his body to make a play are what the New Yorkers see everyday. It is for that reason that these debates and statistical formulas will never fly with the Yankee fan. They will just not listen to that. By prefacing "them" by "they", I admittedly am not a Yankee fan. I'm a Mets fan. I do not think Derek is the worst by any stretch of the imagination. I do think he is a bit over rated. I have a very high degree of respect for Derek and his game. He's done big things in big games. He has 4 rings. And he is a hit machine....but that is another topic. Before I started rambling, this did start out as a defensive analysis. He could play SS anytime for me. Jeter and to a larger degree Yankee bias feuls such debates. Whatever though, I am a Mets fan.

Posted by: Leco at February 24, 2008 10:11 AM

I've been saying all along that Baseball is the greatest and most beautiful sport ever invented by man. Now, a few players, not satisfied with their own God-given greatness, decided to take an illegal and unsportsmanlike step with the use of enhancing substances. I think the culprits should be banned from the sport for life. If we don't punish the bad guys emphatically, the problem will continue to the detriment of all of us, players and fans; and the sport has been soiled as an era of cheaters.

Posted by: WilliamT at February 24, 2008 11:26 AM

What does this moralizing have to do with Derek Jeter's defense?

Posted by: Kent at February 24, 2008 12:08 PM

Leco, I'm calling your lie. You would take Jeter today over Reyes at SS? In NY only a Yankee fan would say that, period.

Posted by: abe at February 24, 2008 03:45 PM

I would like to call Jeter one of the best shortstops ever, but I can't. Nobody can, at this point. But people seem to talk like that means he's overrated. He's not. What he is, is one of the best shortstops ever - in clutch situations. In the playoffs, he steps it up when he needs to. That's where I think Jeter's legacy will be and that's a great thing to be remembered as. A good offensive player that can be defensively fantastic in the clutch... yeah, I'd take that on my team any day.

Posted by: Devon Young at February 24, 2008 04:58 PM

What everyone fails to mention in this whole debate is the statistical analysis of measuring Derek Jeter and his responsibility to bang supermodels. I don't see David Eckstein having to hold the same weight as Jeter. Jeter carries much more responsibilities to society than just playing Shortstop.
You can't measure that with numbers. Baseball numbers, not phone numbers. Having hot passionate sex the night before can affect your defence, you know.
Therefore I'd like to give Mr. New York the benefit of the doubts.

Posted by: Tony Toronto at February 24, 2008 06:15 PM

^ Talk about getting off topic!

1. As a baseball player, Derek Jeter is probably the most valuable player who plays shortstop for his team. He is probably one of the top 20 most valuable baseball players who plays shortstop.

2. The reason why the wording was so awkward above is that Derek Jeter's abilities as a baseball player dwarf his abilities to play a strong defensive shortstop. If you were able to platoon players offense and defense, like in football, Jeter would not likely be able to hold a spot on the defensive side of the field. There are at least two dozen better defensive shortstops actually playing as regular shortstops in the majors (by this, I mean players who turn batted balls into outs) and there have to be dozens more who don't have the ability to hit major league pitching who can play defense - guys like Rafael Belliard in his day.

Derek Jeter is a first-ballot Hall of Famer, and one of the best players in Major League Baseball. But he isn't a good defensive player.

Larry

Posted by: Larry at February 24, 2008 07:00 PM

Larry nailed it. That's it exactly. He's a great, great hitter (and good baserunner). He can play SS, but not well (and probably not much longer). He will go to the HoF, and deserves it, but like most players he's not flawless.

Posted by: Rob in CT at February 26, 2008 09:35 AM
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