Baseball Musings: Late Run

April 28, 2007

Late Run

John Gibson writes:

FYI... Something you don't see every day I thought you might find interesting if you haven't already heard about it...
Runner on 1st and third and the batter flies out to RF. Tejada is running and gets doubled up at 1st. However Markakis tags up and scores before Tejada is doubled up. Umpires do not understand the rule book and waive the run off.

Apparently Perlozzo protested and couple of innings later the umpire is in the dugout making a phone call while the game is being umpired by only two umpires and they end up awarding an extra run for the O's in the 3rd inning and now Eric Wedge is protesting.

First time I've ever seen a team in the same half inning lose a lead and regain a lead.

Strange days indeed. The umpires got it right, however, and that's all that really matters. The Indians came back to tie the game then take the lead on a two-run homer by Peralta.

Posted by David Pinto at 09:12 PM | Games | TrackBack (0)

Comments

We need more information to know if they got it right though. The rule as I understand it is that one cannot protest after the next pitch is thrown.

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Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play. A protest arising on a game-ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the league office.
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If Perlozzo protested before the next pitch it'll be interesting to find out why it wasn't addressed until several innings later. If he didn't and the Indians lose by a run then Wedge has a legitimate beef w/the umpire for misapplication of the rules.

Posted by: John Gibson at April 28, 2007 09:21 PM

We need more information to know if they got it right though. The rule as I understand it is that one cannot protest after the next pitch is thrown.

Posted by: John Gibson at April 28, 2007 09:22 PM

I'm stunned that major league umpires would not know that the run should count.

Posted by: Tor at April 28, 2007 10:19 PM

Honestly, I'm surprised that the rule is written that way. I would have thought doubling-off a runner after a flyout would be classified the same as a force play, and thus it wouldn't matter when the runner crossed home plate (like with a GIDP).

Posted by: Sky at April 29, 2007 12:18 AM

From the recap of the game:

[snip]
The bizarre sequence started with Baltimore leading 2-1 in the top of the third. Nick Markakis was on third base and Miguel Tejada on first with one out when Ramon Hernandez hit a line drive to center field.

Indians outfielder Grady Sizemore made a diving catch. Markakis tagged up, headed for home and appeared to cross the plate before Tejada doubled off first. Plate umpire Marvin Hudson waved off the run.

Orioles bench coach Tom Trebelhorn disputed Hudson's call before the start of the fourth, and Hudson then conferred with Montague and the other umpires.
[/snip]

The Orioles did not protest until a full half inning after the event in question.

Amazingly, what we have now is the umpiring crew engaging in a misapplication of the rules to correct a misapplication of the rules...

Posted by: John Gibson at April 29, 2007 12:39 AM

A more bizarre version of this play happened about 20 years ago. Those of you who read the early Baseball Abstracts may remember Bill James railing about the ruling. In this case, if I recall correctly, it was squeeze play with runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out. The ball was caught and the fielder elected to double the runner of first. Since the runner crossed the plate easily before the force at first and was never put out, the run counted. This is a case where the defensive team could have appealed for a "4th out", but they did not. It's been a long time since I owned a baseball rule book, but I remember this provision from my adolescence.

Posted by: Tor at April 29, 2007 12:40 AM

Had the same play happen to us in a softball game. Runner on third tagged, runner on first didn't, so we thought we had an inning ending double play.

We didn't know the rule either, but the umpire sure did. Still a dumb rule though.

Posted by: Joba at April 29, 2007 03:15 AM

While probably not very important, but just to be accurate (I was at the game), the fly ball was to CF, not RF, and the extra run was not awarded to Baltimore until AFTER the Peralta 2 run homer and Cleveland had taken the lead, 4-2.

Posted by: Zippercat at April 29, 2007 08:14 AM

Have you EVER heard of a team being awarded a run even one pitch, much less three innings after the play in question occurred?

Posted by: dirwuf at April 29, 2007 10:43 AM

Zippercat, I was watching on TV and the announcers showed the scoreboard change occur making it 3-2 Orioles. It was before the Peralta HR.

Posted by: John Gibson at April 29, 2007 11:56 AM

If Gibson above is so aware of the goings on, how come he has two umps on the field (his first comment at top) while crew chief Montegue went into the Cleveland dugout to telephone the scorer. there were 3 umps still out calling the game and only the 2nd base ump is in the field of play, between the lines.

Posted by: Bob S at April 30, 2007 09:39 PM

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