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July 24, 2006
What's With Yankees Fans?

Alex Rodriguez is in a slump. Believe it or not, it happens to the best of players. But to talk to Yankees fans, you'd think this person is the biggest bum ever born. There's a lot of talk that Alex should be traded. Was Watching is all over this story today. First, he looks at Alex's numbers his first three years in New York. He can't decide if A-Rod was lucky in 2005 or unlucky in 2004 and 2006.

Let me put in my two cents. Alex is 30 (seasonal age) meaning he's past his prime. At this point in his career I suspect we'll be seeing more 2004 or 2006 years than 2005 years. But that's okay, they're still good seasons, better than most third basemen in the majors. But you shouldn't expect the last five years of his contract to be as good as the first five years of his contract.

Secondly, he notes that the Yankees have only trade a superstar twice. Once it worked out okay, once it didn't.

New York fans need to realize that they own an all-time great here. He's going through a slump. But these are probably the same fans that would rather have Brosius and Martinez playing third and first, and the same type of fans who booed Carlos Beltran last year.

Update: Brooks Robinson likes Alex:

"I was watching TV last night and I really had to laugh at the guy who said he might be traded," Robinson said. "There's no way in the world that A-Rod is going to go anywhere. If they don't have A-Rod, they don't win."

Rodriguez's defensive woes are the talk of New York right now. The two-time MVP has been getting booed at Yankee Stadium -- and that was before last week's stretch of five errors in five games. Yankees manager Joe Torre eventually pulled Rodriguez from his spot at third base, making him the designated hitter Saturday in Toronto.

Robinson's advice: Everybody calm down.

"A-Rod is just going through a little crisis right now, which might be a week long. Most of his errors are throwing errors and that can be corrected very easily," Robinson said. "But everyone has those streaks. You have streaks as a third baseman or a shortstop where every ball you get is not a big hop, it's an in-between hop, it's a tough play ..."


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Comments

I wonder how much the NY media, i.e. NYPost, NewsDay, etc. contribute to the anti-Arod sentiment vs. how much NYY fans would feel without the provocation? I'm a Red Sox fan living 15 mins from Fenway, and I know firsthand how "conventional wisdom" from the media can lead to widely accepted perceptions (this means you, Shaugnessy).

And now that the onus is on Arod such that even Torre is addressing it, everyone pays attention when he makes the last out in an inning w/RISP, even if 4 different players do the same thing in the same game. He doesn't help himself with the throwing errors, but it looks so obvious that he is dropping his arm angle each time he does so, and big surprise, that leads to Phillips being pulled off the bag.

The fans voted him to the All-Star game by a huge margin, so obviously the guy isn't loathed, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't just Sox fans voting him on to piss off the yankee fans.

Posted by: MP at July 24, 2006 07:07 PM

Real Yankees fans do not boo their own. And certainly not a super star like A Rod. The fans who are doing this, are the spoiled Johnny come lately front runner Yankees fans. To them I say. . . PLEASE follow the Mets! We don't need you to follow the greatest sports franchise ever. Those fans that boo A Rod show their ignorance for the game and frankly it reflects more on them then it does on A Rod. To those "fans" that boo I say this. "YOU ARE ALL PATHETHIC!"

Posted by: ken at July 24, 2006 08:44 PM

By Ken's standards there are only 8 "Real Yankee Fans" left in New York. Has anyone considered the possibility the fans are saying "booerns?"

Posted by: abe at July 24, 2006 09:06 PM

Alex is 30 (seasonal age) meaning he's past his prime.

I don't think that's true. Haven't done a study personally, but I read one not too long (probably about a year ago on HBTimes) that superstars "age" differently than other players. Averaging over all players, peak season is typically late 20s (e.g. 27-28), but elite players peak later. Don't recall exactly, but I think it was more like 30-31.

Posted by: Jason at July 24, 2006 11:58 PM

I was saying Booerns...

Posted by: Moleman at July 25, 2006 09:59 AM

I was saying Booerns...

Posted by: Moleman at July 25, 2006 10:05 AM

You don't boo your own player. Why don't Yankee fans understand that simple concept? They are acting like stupid, spoiled 2 year olds and have given NY'ers a REALLY bad name. They don't deserve A-Rod or the Yankees.

Posted by: Michelle at July 25, 2006 10:34 AM

What non-Yankees fans need to remember is that A-Rod's current fan woes didn't begin this season. They began during the playoffs last season. Remember ALDS vs. LAnaheim, anyone? Nary an RBI by Mr. All-Time Great.

The boos and the current frustration fans feel stems from that, not from his current slump. Right now is just a hangover from his miserable performance in the ALDS, where he admitted he had played 'like a dog.' That's where the Mr. Non-Clutch moniker comes from. Let's please keep that in perspective when we get down on Yankees fans.

Maybe it's because we're spoiled, maybe it's because we have high expectations, but as a Yankee you are judged by your post-season performance, not by your 12 RBI game in April. If the Yankees manage to squeak into the playoffs this year and A-Rod has a noticable impact on helping the Yankees win (which at this point means a clutch RBI late in the game, not just a 2nd inning dinger), all will be forgiven.

Posted by: Chris at July 25, 2006 10:41 AM

I don't care how high expectations are or how miserably any player has performed. As long as they are trying... and A-Rod clearly is... you don't boo your own player.
No good comes from it and it only serves to make the fans look stupid and spoiled. What player would want to play for fans like that? Of course they have a right to boo, but does that make it the right choice? You can't deny that the booing will only make matters worse. Where's the logic in doing that?

Posted by: Michelle at July 25, 2006 11:33 AM

theres no point in booing alex, unless you want him to fail. its like kicking someone when he's already down.

Posted by: stop booingxDD at July 26, 2006 08:15 AM

Im a Yankees Fan. Even though I have not particapted in booing Arod at the stadium I will say it is wrong to boo him. I have been arod fan since he was with seatle. But not that I am taking any fan's side that booing is wrong but if you were a yankee fan who see's mostly every game he plays in you will give the yankee fan a little credit. Everyone boos. Yankee fans booed mantle when he first came up cause he took the spot of Joe D. We all know what happen after that. Arod is one of the greatest players to take the field no doubt. Yankee fans are spoiled especially the ones that saw what the yankees done in the late 90s. They guys like scottie brosius a nobody come over become mvp of a world series. Arod has never stepped on the field in World Series game. Arod said that the only way the yankees fans are going to stop booing him if he hits a "Joe Carter" kind of homerun. I think hes wrong. As a yankees fan, we all think of consistency. If your not consistent we dont like ya its either your bad or your great nothing in between. Do i agree with the avg yankee fan to boo arod everytime he makes out ? No. But i know where their coming from they seen the big hits and the big hrs. Arod just doesnt do that maybe hes not that ortiz kind of player or even that brosius kind of player either. No im not comparing him brosius. But brosius or any other avg type hitter never hit pass 26 hrs a yr and won mvps(season) like arod did. Of course yankees fans are going to have big hopes hes the greatest signing weve had since reggie. Hes not the danny tartabulls or the cecil fielders. Hes arod hes a guy who might beat "Bonds" record of homeruns for a career. They expect alot i dont blame them . Every one says o his avg with risp is pretty good for someone who doesnt hit with man on base.Yea its is. Go check how it is when the yankees are down by 1 run. Im sure it aint even close to avg. Hes not clutch and i dont blame them for booing. If it was boston and ortiz stopped hitting dramatic hrs and strike out everytime(which wont ever happen) im sure boston would turn on ortiz or maybe they wont because he has hit the big homeruns because he has brought a championship to team who hadnt seen a championship in forever. Arod will keep getting boed unless he tries to block out whats going on around him and just plainly hit the ball. Then youll see arod of the past then youll see yankees fans respecting that.

Posted by: Anthony at August 9, 2006 04:27 PM

i am a yankee fan that moved away from ny. i was a yankee fan that grew up in a family that was all from boston (you know what that means). i grew up in the days of mattingly, barfield (i was at fenway when he went thru the scoreboard), and to some extent paul o'neil.

i fucking hate a rod. he is the reason why the yankees are hated. bernie williams is a yankee, a rod is a celebrity. chef and mariano are yankees. a rod and (fuck johnny damon) johnny damon are paid by steinbrenner, but they will never be yankees. true yankee fans know that we are hated by everyone, and that's what drives us to love the team that everyone hates is that we became fans before we knew what money meant to sports.
my first yankee game was 8 years old at fenway and we got stomped on. i've never felt love like i felt that day, cause i was a yankee fan who stood up to an inbread red sox hick that was surrounded by other assholes that could easily call an 8 year old a faggot. my dad didn't help me, and i was alone in fenway backing the team that i would die for. and an 8 year old got a whole section to shut the fuck up and stop cheering just because i was 8. i'm a yankee fan. you're a yankee fan. we know who the real ones are. just cause 50 cent rocks a cap with NY on it doesn't make u a fan. to the true yankees out there, you deserve it. we go all the way without money, that's just the only excuse the others got. love to all!

Posted by: chris Harney at October 7, 2006 10:58 AM
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