Baseball Musings: Marlins Threatening to Move

November 22, 2005

Marlins Threatening to Move

There's a link at MLB.com to a press conference by David Samson in which he says that a new stadium in Miami won't happen. They're looking at other sites in south Florida, but they've received permission from MLB to look into relocating the team.

These threats usually work. We'll see if Miami and the state of Florida are intimidated by this.

Update: Here's a summary story.

Posted by David Pinto at 02:40 PM | Team Movements | TrackBack (0)

Comments

The Beckett deal is presumably intended to ratchet up the perception of economic catastrophe, as well as to depress attendance. Man, these guys can be jerks.

Posted by: Crank at November 22, 2005 03:08 PM

Crank -- it's not that those guy "can be" jerks. It's that they are.

Posted by: Joshq at November 22, 2005 03:55 PM

I'll take "Contraction is the next threat" for $1000, Alex.

Posted by: JC at November 22, 2005 04:56 PM

I say contract those mofos! Take Tampa Bay, too, while you're at it. Hell, contract the whole damn state of Florida! They've given us nothing but grief the past 5 years. Dangling chads, hurricanes, crappy baseball owners to name just a few.

Posted by: sabernar at November 22, 2005 05:21 PM

It's just like les Expos, mes amours, all over again. My sympathies to the fans of South Florida. There were once fans up here too (as many as 1.4 million in 1997, Pedro's last year), but truly incompetent and/or sociopathic upper management (which Florida has had the pleasure of enjoying) has the ability to drive fans away.

That being said, the economic analyses I've seen show that a stadium has marginal, at best, economic benefit for a city and isn't worth building with taxpayer money. Even though the Expos were lost, Montreal and the province of Quebec are probably better off without that debt. South Florida has its own charms and will survive.

Posted by: Umario at November 22, 2005 07:04 PM

Why is it such a big deal if they move? If Portland wants them, let them have the Marlins.

Posted by: Yankee Despiser at November 22, 2005 07:57 PM

Yeah. As much as I hate to see cities get abandoned by teams, more cities ought to follow the lead of L.A. with respect to the NFL and say "Great. We'd love to have you. But don't come back until you're ready to build your own stadium." How would baseball economics be affected if teams actually had to start building their own stadiums again?

Posted by: Adam Villani at November 23, 2005 01:13 PM

I don't know. I don't think these threats work as well as they used to. Carl Pohlad has been threatening to move the Twins for at least seven years, starting with a threat to move to Charlotte that went down in flames, and most recently with a threat to move to Las Vegas (courtesy of a sale to Reggie Jackson) that no one is taking seriously.

The problem for the owners is that they're about out of credible places to go. Look how long it took to get the Expos to Washington. In fact, even now, they don't have a long-term deal in place. There are a lot of teams that would like to move, but where are they going to go? Las Vegas? Portland? Does anyone really believe that?

Posted by: JeffA at November 23, 2005 01:34 PM

Well, you could make a case for a number of cities in the South, like Nashville or Charlotte or Norfolk. Plus there's that Monterrey concept. I don't think there's a complete lack of places for teams to go. The problem (from the owners' POV) is that I think cities are beginning to wise up to the idea that publicly funded stadiums aren't a good deal for the public. Live within your means, fellas.

Posted by: Adam Villani at November 23, 2005 05:43 PM

Why dont the Marlins move to NYC...they have 20 times the populations of any other city that is being considered....so when New York City gets 20+ teams...then you could consider Nashville et. al.

Posted by: john at November 23, 2005 11:36 PM

Well, there are a zillion times as many things to do in NYC as there are in Norfolk or Portland. More competition for the baseball team.

Posted by: Adam Villani at November 24, 2005 01:42 AM

Adam, There is much much less competition in NYC. Exhibits one and two are the Yankees and the Mets...they seem to be reasonably successful....as opposed to teams like Kansas City,
Milwaukee, Minnesota, etc.

Posted by: John at November 24, 2005 10:38 AM

??? What I'm saying is that there's not a linear relationship between the population of a city and the number of teams it can support. NYC may be 20x the population of Kansas City, but it can't support 20 MLB teams. NYC has Broadway, nightclubs, Central Park, and all sorts of other things. That's what I meant by more competition. Yes, they're bigger than KC and can support more teams (they could probably support a third team, really) but the average New Yorker has more options for their entertainment dollar, which is why you can't draw a direct relationship between population and teams and say that NYC can support 20 teams.

Posted by: Adam Villani at November 24, 2005 01:55 PM

Adam, I really dont expect 20 teams in New York...but If Miami or KC could move anywhere, they would choose NY before Charlotte or Nashville.

Why dont they get to go to NY....duh...because the Yanks and Mets would have a cow.

and i dont think thats fair....to let the mets and yanks have access to 20 times the population as some of the other cities....

is it just an accident that the Mets have signed Pedro, Beltran, Delgado, Glavine, etc. and they are the poorer team in NY. When was the last time that the Twins or Royals signed someone of that caliber.

I would like to see baseball more equal...two ways to do that...share all revenue...or open up the large cities to more teams. If Chicago can support two teams...and quite well at that....then NY could support (maybe not 20)...but how about 5.

Posted by: john at November 24, 2005 08:12 PM

they would to realign the national league. or move the az diamondbacks into the al west/???

florida marlins the team I picked to win the nl really feel off badly last year.

will probaly move lo duca and pierre

Posted by: colin at November 26, 2005 12:27 PM

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