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March 22, 2005
Devalued Bonds

I'm watching the Mets-Braves on ESPN. They're showing an interview with Bonds, and Barry is saying he's going to out for at least 1/2 a season if not the whole season.

He's saying how tired he is, how "you guys" (meaning the media) have finally got to him. This is a huge set back for the Giants.

Update: Some quotes from the interview:

BB: I'm tired guys, just tired.

ESPN: Of?

BB: Everything. Tired.

...

BB: You guys wanted to hurt me bad enough, you finally got there.

...

BB: I don't know if I'm going to be back yet.

ESPN: Did you just say a little while ago maybe mid-season, maybe next season?

BB: Maybe. I told you that before I left remember? You thought I was joking. Didn't you say stop kidding?

I don't think I've ever seen Bonds look so defeated. It looks like Aaron and Ruth are safe for a while.

Update: Here's the report at SFGate.com.


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Comments

"You guys wanted to hurt me bad enough, you finally got there."

What a bizarre comment. I am not sure how to parse it. He's blaming his injury on the steroid scrutiny?

Posted by: Gerry at March 22, 2005 02:11 PM

No, he's blaming his exhaustion (mental and physical) on the media scutiny.

Posted by: ed at March 22, 2005 02:47 PM

Don't forget, Bonds is probably a week ahead of the public as far as information about the grand jury, etc. I have to figure the stuff about the ex-girlfriend really hit him hard.

McGwire looked like a very good bet to take down Aaron before his knees gave out on him; maybe Barry will go the same way.

Posted by: Crank at March 22, 2005 02:55 PM

Major League BBwill continue to lose fans and respect until they fire the commisioner and put In a honest one,not an owner.Congress has to clean up their own act.Right now its a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: sherwood michael at March 22, 2005 02:55 PM

I believe Bonds doesn't want to break the home run record because he knows that we all know it would be bogus. I'm sick of the big crybaby--I wish he would just go away...

Posted by: Aodhan at March 22, 2005 03:16 PM

Bonds was saying very similar things at the end of the 1995 season when he was taking extreme grief from the fans. He came back in 1996 and posted a 186 OPS+.

Posted by: J.P. McIntyre at March 22, 2005 03:32 PM

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. If he ends up retiring, can we just pretend like his whole career (and the steroid crap) never happened?

Just erase McGwire and Sosa from the record books and act like it's 1994 (pre-strike) again. That would be nice.

Posted by: Bird at March 22, 2005 03:35 PM

No, that would be retarded. Stupidest idea I've ever heard, and unfortunately, I've heard it a lot.

Posted by: Pseudonym at March 22, 2005 03:39 PM

Good idea.

While we're at it, lets throw out Ruth's career because the bat he used wouldn't be legal now. And, lets throw out Aaron's career (not to mention most of his contemporaries and everyone who's played since) when they finally make amphetamines illegal.

Until it's proven that Bonds actually broke an 'existing' MLB rule (or law), give it a rest.

Posted by: GSW at March 22, 2005 03:51 PM

he is obviously on steroids, so i wouldn't be surprised if he retires before they decide what to do with his records. I doubt he comes back until this scandal is resolved, and a new commishoner is instated.

Posted by: Danny Hurst at March 22, 2005 03:54 PM

It looks like Bonds' son was wearing a Barry Sanders jersey.

Posted by: Franklin Scott at March 22, 2005 04:04 PM

With Bonds gone--hopefully, there's just a few more things to do:

1. Fire that spineless pussy, Selig.

2. Install a harsh steroids policy.

3. Restore Roger Maris as the true single-season home run king. (I watched him break the record, and we haven't had a genuine home run hitter like him since)

4. Put Maris in the Hall of Fame.

5. Start a Hall of Shame with the first two inductees being Pete Rose and Barry Bonds.

Posted by: Aodhan at March 22, 2005 04:06 PM

I used to like Barry when everyone hated him. I was foolish enough to believe that he was not a part of the steroid community. Although it is and has been obvious for years that he is on "something". After today's interview that he gets busted for the alleged steroid use. After letting Giambi take most of the heat for steroids, Bonds has done nothing but continue to complain about the attention that he has received. Let him go down this season and never return to the game.

I know that no matter what the records show Roger Maris HAS the record of all time home runs in a season and should be noted that way.

Posted by: James at March 22, 2005 05:26 PM

For Aodhan,

Agree with him or not, Selig has never shied away from doing what he believes in. You can call him a jerk or a crook, but spineless? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Posted by: Joe at March 22, 2005 05:46 PM

GSW:"Until it's proven that Bonds actually broke an 'existing' MLB rule (or law), give it a rest."

OK, so you're saying as soon as he's tested?

Posted by: Bird at March 22, 2005 05:47 PM

Until its proven he broke a rule? Last time I checked, didn't he admit to using steroids? Honestly, how long do some people have to go before they finally just admit that Barry broke the rules? I sure hope you're from San Fran because that comment doesn't make a bit of sense otherwise.

Posted by: Masked at March 22, 2005 06:25 PM

Stick to the facts, people. Bonds admitted to using what turned out to be the clear and/or cream late in the 2003 season. Granted, he may very well have taken some other stuff before then, including during the 2001 season when he hit 73, but HE HASN'T ADMITTED IT and NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN. I'm sick of people taking quotes and "facts" out of context.

I also think Bonds was just having a bad day and is playing this all up a bit to get the media to back off. I bet he'll come back sometime during May.

Posted by: Jay Tierney at March 22, 2005 06:39 PM

Bird: "OK, so you're saying as soon as he's tested?"

The great thing about forum comments is there's no due diligence required.

It's been widely reported (and collaborated by Bonds own statements) that he has been tested since the steroid policy was implemented, and he has yet to fail a test.

At the time Barry admitted to using the cream/clear, it wasn't against MLB rules and there wasn't (still isn't) any federal/local law against using them.

Posted by: GSW at March 22, 2005 07:35 PM

The cream and the clear are anabolic steroids. There is a federal law against obtaining anabolic steroids without a doctor's prescription. Since Barry obtained these from his personal trainer rather than with a doctor's prescription, he broke the law. Since he admitted to using the cream and the clear and they are steroids, he admitted using steroids. Saying he didn't know they were steroids doesn't make him any less guilty.

It's just like what happens with the Olympic athletes who test positive for stimulants after taking cold medicine. Just because they didn't know the cold medicine contained stimulants doesn't prevent them from suspensions and loss of their medals.

Franklin Scott noticed Barry's son wearing a Barry Sanders jersey. Could that be an omen that another Barry will retire before setting a career record in his sport?

Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2005 08:33 PM

Why is it that baseball always crucifies its home run kings? Maris and the asterisk, Aaron getting grief because he's black, and now Bonds. Let's be honest here. The knock against Bonds began before the steroid problem became a front-page news. He was castigated for being a bad or an unpleasant guy long before anyone heard of BALCO.

There is no physical evidence that he took steroids. At least, none that anyone posting here knows. All we have is a he-said-she-said involving an ex-girlfriend. Even if Bonds took steroids, they weren't against baseball rules at the time. So please don't call it cheating.

Bonds is the greatest athelete of our time. We'll be telling our grandchildren about what Bonds did in the last few years. I so dearly wanted to see him break Aaron's record but that doesn't seem likely now. We should all be ashamed for throwing him under the bus at the words of... Jose Canseco.

Posted by: frank at March 22, 2005 08:36 PM

1. The clear and the cream hadn't been added to the list of banned substances at the time Bonds admitted taking them. Yes, they were specifically designed to fall outside the banned list (since ammended), but making them illegal now doesn't make them illegal them. They may have fallen under the catch-all substance provision, but...

2. There's no indication that Bonds has never been caught in possesions of the clear or the cream. Admitting to using them, could be a misdemeanor in a few states, but a felony conviction would require possesion. And whether you believe him or not when he says he didn't know the clear and cream were steroids at the time, the plausable deniability defense will be difficult to work around.

Posted by: GSW at March 22, 2005 09:23 PM

Bonds: "Hey look, GSW, it's raining!"

GSW: "Um... Barry, that's my leg. And aren't you supposed to be doing that in a cup?"

Enjoy your crusade while it lasts, but time (and the people who have been protecting Bonds all these years,) will tell the truth eventually...

Posted by: Bird at March 22, 2005 09:35 PM

I'd say Bonds threw himself under the bus years ago by being unpleasant. It became obvious that he needed money for something when he pulled out of the MLBPA last year just so he can receive more money from licensing. It also ruined his image. Imagine being a kid and not being able to use Barry Bonds in a baseball videogames because Barry's selfish.

Posted by: Adam at March 22, 2005 10:30 PM

Why don't all you whinning, playa hate'n wannabes
get a life and let baseball be what it is, a game, entertainment, get real, I guess you've lived your whole life without incident, wouldn't it be nice if everytime you made a mistake or said the wrong thing, the news media would share it with the whole frigging world, so please shut the f--k up. and get a life.

Posted by: outwestandhappy at March 23, 2005 12:56 AM

Good point, Adam. That must be why Jordan was the most hated man in basketball for so many years.

(Although I have to admit that that was as annoying as hell.)

Posted by: Nick Schulte at March 23, 2005 01:33 AM

I think maybe Barry's coming to terms with his drug use. Mac is busted, Giambi is busted( but coming back a little? ). Remember how sick Jason was last year? Bonds has to be facing the same thing, he's going to be sick for a while.

Posted by: jc at March 23, 2005 01:51 AM

Thank-you, Bob, for the most helpful post here. For some
of the others, I can only assume they have a business or
personal interest in this ball player. Separately, all money
and glory in baseball flow from the fan.

Posted by: susan mullen at March 23, 2005 07:19 AM

A general comment: If you're going to speak in terms of legality and breaking the rules of baseball, you have to be consistent and stop pretending they're the same thing. For example, saying Bonds' records don't count because steroids are illegal makes no sense -- a spit ball isn't against the law, but it's still cheating. Just wanted to point out this simple flaw in some people's logic.

Posted by: Jay Tierney at March 23, 2005 02:09 PM
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